Thucydides funeral oration was one of the best speeches I’ve read. It seems to me like it was especially significant in that time period because he neglected to mention any of the gods. Instead, he focused solely on the actions and deeds of men. I wonder if this speech was respected by those who heard it? I thought the Greeks were very adamant about honor and virtue, and in his speech, unlike Homer’s Iliad, Thucydides did not show what seemed like the proper respect to those men who had perished in war.

Once again, in Thucydides speech about the plague, he calls it “natural.” Others, like Homer, attributed these things to the will of the gods. Was Greek civilization as a whole, or maybe perhaps only Athens since it was a democracy, shifting to a more secular state at this time?