Author: Jenna Deep

By Jenna Deep

“Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.”[1] These words from President John F. Kennedy’s 1961 inaugural address captured the attention of the nation. One person who was captivated by this was a twelve-year-old girl in Clinton, New York, Barbara-Jo Deep. Watching the inauguration on television, those words “made the biggest impression. It started making me feel empowered.”[2] Kennedy’s sway of the American people helped to drive national programs and policies, especially his stress on individual contribution to make America greater. “He always seemed to ask for our help,” Deep recalls. “He always said “I need your help, we need to be strong, I believe the country is strong, but we can be stronger.”[3] This made Deep feel a strong sense of patriotism and duty towards her country.

While historian H.W. Brands does a reasonably good job describing Kennedy’s election, policies, and influence in American Dreams, he does not discuss President Kennedy’s emphasis on personal fitness. Kennedy’s fitness program is an excellent case study that demonstrates the intersection of his policies and influence that impacted the lives of everyday Americans. The fitness program also offers insights into the state of the American government during the Cold War, particularly the looming fear of a physical war with the Soviet Union. As a young girl in Clinton, New York, Barbara-Jo Deep recalls the way that the president’s advocacy of personal fitness influenced her and her community in ways that Brands is unable to document in American Dreams.

When John F. Kennedy began his presidential campaign in 1960, he quickly captured the nation’s attention as “the vigorous exemplar of the new generation.”[4] The rise of television in particular helped contribute to this. In the first televised debate in American history, Kennedy was able to make his opponent Richard Nixon appear “harried and worn.”[5] Kennedy’s collected appearance on television was a major factor in terms of his public perception both before and after the election. After his election, Kennedy’s charm and use of media continued to influence the American people. Deep recalls that the press and reporters were “very complimentary to the president and his family,” which enabled Kennedy to promote his ideas to Americans.[6]

One of the most impactful ways JFK influenced teens like Deep during his term was the use of his fitness program. Though Kennedy can be credited with the popularization of fitness, presidential concern over the physical well-being of Americans began with President Eisenhower. A 1955 report found that 57.9% of American children failed at least one category in the Kraus-Weber fitness test as opposed to just 8.7% of European youths.[7] This caused a panic within the executive branch that Americans were growing weak or ‘soft’, leading to the president calling a council regarding youth fitness in 1955. Eisenhower feared that in the case of a hot war with the Soviet Union, American would be physically unfit to fight, which led to the establishment of the President’s Council on Youth Fitness (PCYF) in 1956.[8] However, PCYF was not very effective. The US government had no power to mandate or implement fitness policies into American schools or youth life, and therefore very little change was made.[9] Kennedy was able to use media outreach to encourage Americans to buy in to the suggested fitness program. In this way, he was able to succeed where Eisenhower failed.

Kennedy began promoting this program while president-elect. On December 26, 1960, an article he wrote was published in Sports Illustrated. Titled “The Soft American,” it warned of the decreasing fitness of the American youth, and the dangers it could pose to society. He cites the same fears that Eisenhower had, that in a war with the Soviet Union, unfit Americans would be unable to fight them.[10] However, Kennedy had a different approach in reaching the American people than Eisenhower had, by turning fitness into a patriotic gesture. He published this article in a popular magazine that was readily consumed by the masses and shared with the nation how disastrous unfitness could be for national security. Kennedy wrote “the physical well-being of the citizen is an important foundation for the vigor and vitality of all the activities of the nation,” and encouraged individuals to improve their fitness to improve the country.[11] In this article, he outlines administrative goals for American fitness, but specifically acknowledges that the government cannot impose itself on Americans to enforce such goals. While the government could not force people to exercise, “we can fully restore the physical soundness of our nation only if every American is willing to assume responsibility for his own fitness and the fitness of his children.”[12] This individualized fitness and transformed it into a patriotic statement rather than just another government policy.

Kennedy strengthened his suggestions by portraying them as a means of preserving the free state of the American people by implicitly juxtaposing it to the Soviet Union. “We do not live in a regimented society where men are forced to live their lives in the interest of the state.”[13] By contrasting the United States to the Soviet Union’s totalitarianism, he was able to capture the fear of a communist state but also individualized the prevention of its actualization to amplify his call to action. “He specifically said that a strong and great country needs strong healthy people,” says Deep, “he really felt that you needed to take care of your health, he really stressed that you needed to be healthy and active and strong.”[14]

Once he assumed full presidential duties in 1961, Kennedy quickly rebranded the PCYF to the President’s Council on Physical Fitness (PCPF), which used more covert strategies to encourage American fitness. “The council hired Oklahoma football coach Bud Wilkinson as their first celebrity spokesman” for both his prestige and prior rhetoric on the importance of American fitness on the global stage.[15] Kennedy also struck a deal with ABC news to have free airtime to promote fitness, and used marketing tactics directed at children to grab their attention. Not only was Wilkenson used to promote fitness, but astronauts and other celebrities, including Kennedy himself, starred in ads and even a promotional film about the importance of fitness.[16] New technologies like personal televisions and accessible movie theaters enabled the widespread advertising of Kennedy’s program that helped make it so popular.

Deep recalls that the Kennedy administration encouraged physical fitness in American youth through schools. Although the federal government could not mandate that schools use their fitness program, schools were encouraged to buy into it. “The Council… strongly encourages every school to adopt the basic philosophy of Wilkinson’s program” but made it clear that such an adoption was a choice.[17] The government sold blue books to schools that detailed exercises and recommendations for improving fitness. Deep’s school, Clinton High School, opted to use these books in Phys. Ed. class. “There was a little blurb in the front that said it was sponsored by President Kennedy,” she remembers. “I know that I spent a lot of time looking through it and figuring out the exercises in it and doing them, because he said that we need to be strong and healthy to be a strong country.”[18] According to Deep, the exercises mostly focused on bodyweight movements and calisthenics rather than things like weightlifting. These strategies were effective in encouraging school engagement with the presidential fitness program. Before the PCPF, “fewer than 18 million school children had participated in physical education… while about 27 million had by 1964,” and a majority of these students had P.E. at least three times a week.[19] Some states even codified P.E. requirements into their state education systems, demonstrating the effectiveness of using schools to promote American fitness. In addition to this, “half again as many students passed a physical fitness test” in 1962, one year after implementing the Kennedy fitness program.[20]

Another way the Kennedy administration went about encouraging fitness was the promotion of a fifty-mile hike. While Kennedy himself never engaged in such a hike, he challenged his press secretary, Pierre Salinger, to complete it. This became a bit of banter used in public, which Salinger declined each time, but brought attention to the initiative. In early 1963, Salinger “ finally released a statement… in which he publicly declined the honor.”[21] Famously, Kennedy’s brother and Attorney General Robert Kennedy completed the hike in the snow in loafers to demonstrate that the hike was nothing to shy away from. Although the administration did not largely engage in this hike, “the real impact of the fifty-mile hike was with the public at large” and many Americans felt encouraged to attempt it due to these efforts.[22]

The high schoolers in Clinton viewed this hike to be an admirable expression of patriotism. In the fall of 1961, a group of boys including Deep’s brother, cousins, and boyfriend all decided they would go on their own ‘Kennedy March.’ Around twelve boys total partook in the walk, and they ranged from fifteen to eighteen years old. “They were all juniors or seniors in high school,” and many of them had just wrapped up football season, “so they were pretty well conditioned, but not conditioned to walk fifty miles.”[23] Their route was from the Clinton town center to Cooperstown.  “It was pretty much a last-minute thing.”, Deep remembers. “They didn’t really train for walking that far…within a day it just came upon them… so they all got together a day or two later in the morning” to begin their walk.[24]

Deep went with her parents to drop off her brother in front of the newspaper office. The boys began their walk early in the morning and it took them “in the range of like 9-11 hours. It depended on whether you were in the front of the pack or, you know, further behind.”[25] Deep and her parents also drove out to Cooperstown to watch the boys finish their hike and give them a ride back home. They came upon them a few miles away from Cooperstown, and Deep’s boyfriend did not want to continue walking. “He was beat, I was literally pushing him physically the last 2 miles,” Deep recalls, laughing. “I kinda got in on the walk, but only the last couple of miles from the end, but I felt like I was a part of that because of doing that.”[26] Although she did not do the whole hike, she still feels an immense amount of pride that she was able to help someone else complete the Kennedy March.  Deep wishes that a group of girls had also done the hike, but “I don’t even remember think that we should do it as girls, I guess that was just the mindset back then, where nowadays I think that would be totally different.”[27] Had the hike taken place in the modern day, “we probably would have walked together, not separated male/female, and girls definitely would do it.”[28]

On the ride back to Clinton, “They were all just so beat. riding back in the car took a little over an hour, their muscles kinda seized up.”[29] While waiting outside the paper office, one of the writers found out what the boys were planning to do and ended up running a story on them later on. “When the community found out about it, they were all definitely getting, you know, pats on the back when their names were in the paper.”[30] When they went to school on Monday, they were “heroes for at least a day or a week. You know, wow, they actually listened to our president, they went out and they did it, hooray?! It was definitely, everybody was just so happy about it and praised them.”[31] While this route ended up being closer to forty miles than fifty, the principle behind the march was still the same. “The President had inspired them!”[32]

While the intent of American Dreams is to provide the reader a firm foundation of historiography and context from 1945 onward, this means that lesser-known events are often left out of the book. Brands’s book is an important resource to use to develop a broad understanding of historical context before diving into small-scale or personal accounts of history. Brands makes it clear that the Kennedy administration was able to use new media combined with the influential nature of the president to sway the public. However, Deep’s account brings the idea of Kennedy’s influence to life with her vivid recollection of him and his promotion of fitness. By describing what the actual implementation of school fitness guidelines looked like, as well as her own reaction to them, she is able to showcase the individual impact Kennedy had on her. By describing the hike her classmates went on, Deep is able to demonstrate that other people were inspired and influenced by Kennedy’s words as well. She describes the general atmosphere around such fitness initiatives as patriotic, or inspiring. A purely academic text may not be able to address the human emotion in the same way as an oral history. While Brands may not be able to incorporate personal accounts into his book for clarity and conciseness, personal accounts are an important supplementary resource to demonstrate the real life impact of the events detailed in his book.

 

[1] “Inaugural Address.” JFK Library. [WEB].

[2] Email interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 13, 2023.

[3] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[4] H.W. Brands, American Dreams: The United States Since 1945 ( Penguin Books, 2010), 103.

[5] Brands, American Dreams, 103.

[6] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[7] Matthew T. Bower and Thomas M. Hunt “The President’s Council on Physical Fitness and the Systematisation of Children’s Play in America”, International Journal of the History of Sport, Vol. 28, No. 11, (August 2011): 1497. DOI: 10.1080/09523367.2011.586789.1497 [EBSCO].

[8] Bower and Hunt, “The President’s Council on Physical Fitness and the Systematisation of Children’s Play in America”, [EBSCO] 1499.

[9] “The Federal Government Takes on Physical Fitness.” JFK Library. [WEB].

[10] John F. Kennedy,  “The Soft American,” Sports Illustrated Magazine, December 26, 1960. [WEB], 2.

[11] Kennedy,  “The Soft American,” [WEB] 1.

[12] Kennedy,  “The Soft American,” [WEB]4.

[13] Kennedy,  “The Soft American,” [WEB] 4.

[14] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[15] Rachel Louise Moran, Governing Bodies: Americcan Politics and the Shaping of the Modern Physique, (University of Pennsylvania Press, 2018), [JSTOR] 100.

[16] Moran, Governing Bodies [JSTOR] 100.

[17] Moran, Governing Bodies [JSTOR] 103.

[18] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[19] Moran, Governing Bodies, [JSTOR] 104.

[20] “The Federal Government Takes on Physical Fitness,” [WEB].

[21] “The Federal Government Takes on Physical Fitness,” [WEB].

[22] “The Federal Government Takes on Physical Fitness,” [WEB].

[23] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[24] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[25] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[26] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[27] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[28] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[29] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[30] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[31] Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 24, 2023.

[32] Email Interview with Barbara-Jo Deep, Clinton NY, November 13, 2023.

 

Further Reading:

Bowers, Matthew T. and Thomas M. Hunt. “The President’s Council on Physical Fitness and the Systematisation of Children’s Play in America”, International Journal of the History of Sport Vol. 28, No. 11, (August 2011): 1496-1511. DOI: 10.1080/09523367.2011.586789.

Brands, H.W. American Dreams: The United States Since 1945. Penguin Books, 2010. Chapter 5.

JFK Library. “Inaugural Address.” Inaugural Address | JFK Library

JFK Library. “The Federal Government Takes on Physical Fitness.” The Federal Government Takes on Physical Fitness | JFK Library.

Jenkinson, Clay S. “John F. Kennedy and Theodore Roosevelt: Parallels and Common Ground, including North Dakota”. North Dakota History 78, no.3-4 (2013): 2-18. JFK Library.

Kennedy, John F. “The Soft American” Sports Illustrated Magazine, December 26, 1960. The Soft American : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Moran, Rachel Louise. Governing Bodies: American Politics and the Shaping of the Modern Physique Selling Postwar Fitness: Advertising, Education, and the Presidents Council. University of Pennsylvania Press, 2018. https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv16t67w9.7.

 

Appendix

“Kennedy’s style charmed the Democratic convention and it charmed the country after he landed the nomination”

H.W. Brands, American Dreams: The United States Since 1945. New York: Penguin Books, 2010, 102.

Interview Subject:

Barbara-Jo Deep, age 74, was a young teen during the Kennedy administration, and recalls the powerful effect Kennedy had on the American public.

EMAIL INTERVIEW SELECTED TRANSCRIPT: November 13, 2023

Q: How old were you during the Kennedy campaign? How old were you when he was assassinated?

A: 12,15. I do remember I had to do a school project in a scrap book with the topic of the Presidential campaigns: Kennedy vs. Nixon.

Q: Did you have an idea of who you/your family supported during the Kennedy-Nixon election?

A: family supported Kennedy

Q:What was the popular climate in Clinton around the election? Did it seem that more people supported Kennedy?

A: At the time Clinton was very Republican. But at School the young people I knew supported Kennedy, but I believe adults supported Nixon.

Q: Were you able to watch the televised debates? If so, do you remember who you thought did a better job? What did people around you think?

A: I watched the debates and I thought Kennedy did better. More poised, relaxed but engaged, Seemed like he was for the “ little guy”, not the elite. I remember pundits reporting that Nixon was sweating. That was a negative. Kennedy seemed more personable. My friends at school liked Kennedy. I don’t know about adults except my parents. They liked Kennedy. I did too.

Q: What was the most impactful statement that Kennedy made and how did it impact your perspective?

A: “Ask not what your country can do for you;ask what you can do for your country “. That made the biggest impression. Started me feeling empowered and not looking to the government to “take care” of me.

Q: Tell me about the walk that your brothers and Gido (Grandpa) went on after Kennedy discusses fitness standards for Americans.

A: The President stressed physical fitness. We were given ( in school) nice little books of exercises as a guide. President Kennedy encouraged walking and hiking and kind of challenged people to strive for 50 mile hikes. My brother and friends, including my cousin and my then boyfriend ( Giddo) decided to do a 50 mile hike from Clinton to Cooperstown. It was pretty much a last minute thing. They hiked and I went with my parents by car to see them walk into Cooperstown. I think the local newspaper was reporting on it. They were about 5 miles from Cooperstown when we came upon them. Your grandfather was exhausted and I thought he couldn’t finish. I got out of the car and literally pushed him from behind for the last mile! They were so sore because they didn’t train for it. But the President had inspired them! It gave them a great deal of prestige at school on Monday. I think we all felt very inspired to challenge ourselves to be better for the sake of our country.

Q: What do you remember about the Kennedy assassination/learning that the president had been shot?

A: I was sitting in the next to the last set of desks ( near the windows) with my friend Patty to my left. It was English class with Miss Jacobs, a middle aged, short dramatic type of teacher. I can see it like it was yesterday . Someone ( a school secretary) knocked on the door and quietly said something to Miss Jacobs. She ( Miss Jacobs ) put her hands up top of her  head and spun around in circles. Patty and I looked at each other and laughed because she looked so frazzled and funny. Then she told the class dramatically and overly emotionally “ president Kennedy has been shot!”. She kept spinning and we did stop laughing  in a second or two. I don’t remember what exactly happened for the next 5-10 minutes. I know we didn’t resume our lessons. So about  10 minutes later there was another knock on the door and whispering to Miss Jacobs. She exclaimed as if in pain “ The President is Dead!” She paced about the front of the room. She was crying. We were all silent. For some reason I remember at dismissal everyone was quiet, not noisy as usual, and there was a boy in the hall near the auditorium with a pack of cigarettes in his front white T  shirt pocket. I don’t know why that stuck in my mind, but he was an upper classman and was normally boisterous.

Q: What other information do you think I should have about this time period/administration that I haven’t asked about that you think I should know?

A: The newspapers and TV were very complimentary to The President and his family. We saw images of him with his wife and children. He had a great smile and looked as though he was a wonderful family man. Jackie Kennedy was seen as a role model, and a very intelligent, interesting person. She did defer to her husband when asked political questions. Something like “ I am in favor of whatever my husband is”. She did a live tour of the Whitehouse on TV and was poised and knew a great deal about the history of the Whitehouse. She said it had been worn and shabby, and needed restoration. She wanted to treat it with honor and respect.

 

I remember hearing President Kennedy commit to sending a man to the moon in the next decade. I remember him saying something like (paraphrasing) “we choose to do these things not because they are easy—-but because they are hard.” It made me believe as Americans we can do wondrous things. That made me feel confident. There is certainly other stuff about that time period. I’ll think about it.

IN-PERSON INTERVIEW SELECTED TRANSCRIPT: November 24, 2023

Q: How did you feel watching JFK speak?

A: Well, he always seemed to ask for our help. He didn’t, like, always say how great he was, I don’t even know if I ever heard him say things about himself, he always said “I need your help, we need to be strong, I believe the country is strong, but we can be stronger, I believe we’re great, but we could be greater,” he never was negative, he was always very positive, and that’s what I remember about him, and of course, his Boston accent too.

Q: Did you feel uplifted or optimistic about the future of the country? Did his speeches increase your patriotism?

A: Oh absolutely. It was really a time of patriotism because he was calling us together to make the country greater. He wasn’t saying “I’m gonna do this or I’m gonna do that, he said I need you to do this, or I need you to do that”, and it made us feel like we could actually do something about the country. He didn’t disparage the country but he said we can make it better and we can do things, we needed to be stronger and , yes, he gave us a lot of patriotism and a lot of very optimistic feelings. He never bragged about us like we were better than any other country, he just said, you know, together we can make the country even better than it is right now.

Q: So you said that your mother and father supported Kennedy. Did they ever talk to you about why they liked him, or anything like that?

A: Well, I don’t recall a lot of it, but I remember that, for example, when I was about that age or a little younger, my dad was working 2 jobs because we didn’t really, have any kind of financial backing, when they got married they started from scratch, and they had 5 kids, so they felt that Kennedy was for the working man, and really, for the working MAN, because women didn’t really work a lot back then. My mom was a stay at home mom, not that Kennedy discouraged women from seeking work and being active, and getting an education, I mean, he really pushed education, but my parents really, especially my mom was interested in his ideas on education, and my dad liked that he was really, you know, for the working man. He wasn’t really elite. Where we lived was a pretty elite town, and at that point in time, the town was very Republican, and at that time the Republicans were more for the elite and the Democrats more for the working class, and my family was working class.

Q: So your parents were Democrats?

A: Absolutely Democrats. But they did feel that they were discriminated against in the community, because it was so Republican, it wasn’t something that they talked about, you know, in groups, because in this town if you weren’t Republican, people get opposed to you. So it was yes they’re Democrats, but you don’t kinda talk about that with others.

Q: Even though Clinton was primarily Republican, do you know if people crossed party lines in support of Kennedy?

A: I wouldn’t really know, but my feeling from growing up here is that not many crossed the line. I mean, when Kennedy won, of course they backed him, but I don’t think they voted for him because at that time in this community, Republicans were just voting Republican. But again, when Kennedy was elected, it was pretty much treated positively.

Q:Do you remember why Kennedy was so big on physical fitness?

A: I’m not sure that he ever said why other than to make our country better, because a strong country means.. HE specifically said that a strong and great country needs strong healthy people, and he really felt that you needed to take care of your health, he really stressed that you needed to be you know, healthy and active and strong, and I remember getting little booklets from School about physical fitness, we got it in gym class, and it was called the Presidential Physical Fitness and it had diagrams and there was a little blurb in the front that it was sponsored by President Kennedy, and we were encouraged, and I know that I spent a lot of time looking through it and figuring out the exercises in it and doing them, because he said that we need to be strong and healthy to be a strong country.

Q: Those exercise books, were there standards related to sex and age corresponding to say, how many pushups you should be able to do?

A: It wasn’t standards, it was just do the exercises, and if you did it, youd be good, it didn’t really tell us to do X amount of whatever, it would suggest so many repetitions, but it didn’t set a standard. Instead of measuring yourself against others, you were competing against yourself.

Q: Do you remember any of the exercises that were depicted in the booklet?  Was it mostly muscle-building, cardio, flexibility, a combination?

A: It wasn’t cardio, it was mostly muscle building , and what we called calisthenics back then. I don’t remember any weight training, although I do remember being encouraged to do like pushups and chin-ups and things like that. And Kennedy specifically said that fit people without any infirmities should strive to walk for 50 miles, and that would prove, if you could do that , you were healthy. HE didn’t say to go out tomorrow with no training and do it, but he said that all young strong healthy people that don’t have a disability should try to be able to walk 50 miles.

Q: Did he or his admin talk about a healthy diet along with exercise?

A: I don’t remember anything about diet at that time. And remember, back then, there wasn’t a lot of processed foods, everything was pretty fresh My mother canned foods, and in fact, with the vegetable garden, everyone in the country grew vegetable gardens, and like potato chips, my mom would make her own by cutting up potatoes and frying them. You didn’t go to the store and get them with preservatives and stuff.

Q: What time of year did that group do the 50 mile march?

A: It was in I think 61, it was pretty early in the Kennedy administration. I wanna say it was in the fall, after football, because all but 1 of them or 2 that marched were all football players. So they were pretty well conditioned, but not conditioned to walk 50 miles.

Q: So it was in like late October, early November?

A: yeah, I’m pretty sure it was. The local paper wrote about it so you could find out exactly, but I’m just taking a guess about it. Because it wasn’t really hot and it wasn’t really cold, and school was in session.

Q:  How did the newspaper found out about this?

A: Well, we-I say we, I wasn’t actually walking, I just dropped my brother off, but they had assembled outside the Clinton Courier office at the time, by the post office, and they were probably in the office and saw them and wanted to know what they were doing. They were all boys by the way, because back then you didn’t really see girls and boys together except on social occasions, it wasn’t a social occasion, it was really a show of strength to say that “I’m gonna do what the president has challenged us to do!” For whatever reason, it was all boys, and they at the spur of the moment, it wasn’t planned, so they didn’t really train for walking that far, they basically within a day it just came upon them “lets do it”, so they all got together a day or two later in the morning and then after they did, the newspaper did run an article on them.

Q: Do you remember how long it took them?

A: It was over 8 hours for sure. They left early in the morning, and it was before daylight savings, so… I’m gonna say maybe 11 hours. Some did it faster than others. I think in the range of like 9-11 hours maybe? It depended on whether you were in the front of the pack or, you know, further behind.

Q: In that group, what was the age range of them?

A: They were all I think between 15 and 17. They were all like juniors or seniors in high school. I think there might have been an 18 year old in there too.

Q: How many people did you say did it?

A: Oh I would guess about 12 of them, I think.

Q: Did they see this as a more political or patriotic act?

A: Patriotic, definitely. Nothing political about it. When the community found out about it, they were all definitely getting, you know, pats on the back when their names were in the paper. It was definitely not political, it was a patriotic challenge. And the way Kennedy challenged you inspired you, made you want to do it!

Q: Within that praise, when they went to school the next day, was it mostly from peers, or teachers, or both?

A: Everybody, everybody. They were like heroes for at least a day or a week. You know, wow, they actually listened to our president, they went out and they did it, hooray, you know?! It was definitely, everybody was just so happy about it and praised them.

Q: Do you remember any specific times they were praised?

A: Seeing them Monday in school, you saw other people, like wow, going up and congratulating them. It was all word of mouth, there was no text or social media or anything, but the word spread. Some of them were just so beat too. Like my cousin, wore brand new blue jeans without washing them to hike, and back then, you know, they were stiff, cotton and thick. He had gotten so sore from the jeans rubbing, he could hardly walk from that, never mind the muscles! Their muscles, riding back in the car took a little over an hour, their muscles kinda seized up.

Q: What else do you want to tell me about fitness, or the 50 mile hike that I haven’t asked about yet?

A: I mean, I was there at the end, my brother and my boyfriend at the time were both doing it, and um, you know, my boyfriend didn’t want to continue the last couple miles, he was beat, and I was literally pushing him physically the last 2 miles, so I kinda got in on the walk, but only the last couple of miles from the end, but I felt like I was a part of that because of doing that. And I don’t know why a group of girls didn’t then decide to do it. Cause I was very athletic and did all kinds of sports, the girls were pretty fit. I don’t even remember think that we should do it as girls, I guess that was just the mindset back then, where nowadays I think that would be totally different. Now, we probably would have walked together, not separated male/female, and girls probably definitely would do it.

Q: Do you remember the exact start or end points of the hike?

A: I know they started by, there’s a parking lot, kind of in front of where the NBT bank is, on the north side of the village green, and I don’t remember where they ended, if it was the park in Cooperstown, or just the sign that said Cooperstown.